This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Discussion leading up to rename from The Alkazar
Bring The Noise: Wrestling - Do JR's fairly frequent allusions to Pat Patterson's homosexuality count here?
Daibhid C: I've pulled this:
- A rare anticipatory example of this trope (Destiny calling...) occurred in the Black Adder episode "Sense and Senility". Speaking to Prince George, the Upper-Class Twit, Blackadder says, "It's good to be back in the saddle. Did I say saddle? I meant...house." Prince George is, of course, played by Hugh Laurie. Given the rediscovery of Laurie's past work by people who only know him from his current work, it may surprise first-time viewers and be thought of as an actual example of this trope.
- In the next series, in the episode "Captain Cook", they ended up doing a real Actor Allusion when Stephen Fry's character brings regards to Hugh Laurie's character from "his uncle Bertie". Fry and Laurie played Jeeves and Bertie Wooster, respectively.
The first one simply isn't the case: he says "harness". The second one looks an awful lot like a coincidence; a lot of Upper Class Twits of the time were called Bertie.
Midonin: I'm starting to see some overlap here, and a difference needs to be clarified. It seems like entries where celebrity references the actor playing them fit better until Celebrity Paradox, whereas ones related to another role the actor has played are Actor Allusions.
Would Tim Roth's appearance in The Incredible Hulk with the Mr. Blue/ Mr. Green thing count?
Removed:
- Monsters Inc. has a commercial for the fictional organization saying that kids don't get scared of monsters anymore. The man who voices Henry J. Waternoose in the Latin American version is the same one that voiced Grandpa Fred in Gremlins 2: The New Batch. There, Fred tells Billy that adults don't get scared of movie monsters anymore.
- The Flinstones often has several references to a place called "Rockapulco". In the Latin American version of Get Smart, one of Maxwell Smart (who was voiced by Jorge Arvizu, the same guy who voiced Fred)'s running gags was to shore-horn his aunt from Acapulco in every possible conversation.
Coincidence, not intentional. And too obscure.
Some Sort Of Troper: Moved over a few examples that were Casting Gags (recently launched) but not Actor Allusions since they didn't reference anything linked to anybody already in the piece, they were all self contained in the casting. That's Dragnet, Iron Man and Duchovny in Zoolander.
- In Sleepless in Seattle, David Hyde Pierce, playing a psychiatrist, informs Annie, "But it always rains in Seattle!" This should require no explanation.
- Sleepless in Seattle came out in June of 1993. Frasier premiered in September, so unless the line was added knowing Pierce would be playing Niles, this is an example of something else entirely.
Real Slim Shadowen: ...then why didn't you remove it?
CA Lieber: Removed
- Out Of This World: Tom Bosley, fresh from Father Dowling Mysteries, and playing Evie's alien grandfather, hides in a closet, then mentions that, "For some reason, I feel like I should be hearing a confession."
Galen Dev: Having some problems with formatting. Trying to link to the film "Shoot 'Em Up" though every attempt to format it to that effect fails. If anyone could give me some help, I'd appreciate it.
Big T: Is there not a more wellknown example, or at least a two-fer that could make the reference obvious to nonfans?
CA Lieber: Once again, out with
- In Shoot 'Em Up, Paul Giamatti's character utters "Fuck me sideways," at one point. Giamatti starred in Sideways
- In Wolverine and The X-Men, Wolverine is played by Steve Blum, famous for his role as Spike Spiegel in the dubbed version of Cowboy Bebop. There's an episode where Logan is away fighting Sabretooth, and Rogue comes to the school, looking to speak to him. Beast says he's not there right now, and Rogue remarks that he's always coming and going unexpectedly, and always returns, badly injured. Faye said something very similar in Bebop, could this be a possible reference?
- I didn't think so at first, since that's just how Wolverine rolls, but.. Wolverine coming back badly injured? You might have a point.
If anyone didn't notice the Sandman in Spectacular Spider-Man was voiced by Bender before, surely they did once he kept going on about his "big score" ... that said, it's not as if Bender actually said that line in the movie.. it was just the title.. so.. maybe an allusion?
