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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

OccasionalExister Since: Jul, 2012
#23426: Mar 30th 2014 at 1:38:07 PM

[up][up][up]Sikes's name is spelled with a "y" in the last sentence, but other than that it looks good.

[nja]Darn, ninja'd.

edited 30th Mar '14 1:38:48 PM by OccasionalExister

Cakeman Since: Dec, 2012
#23428: Mar 30th 2014 at 2:31:23 PM

Sponge Bob was pretty horrified when he found out that Mr. Krabs had kept Squidward's head as a trophy after he killed him...and he broke down into tears after Mr. Krabs forced him to bury the health inspector...

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#23429: Mar 30th 2014 at 2:36:19 PM

Okay, here's a revised version of the writeup I gave Damien Thorn earlier. It goes as follows:

  • The horror series, The Omen, has The Antichrist himself, Damien Thorn. What's interesting about him is that at first, he was horrified when he discovered that he was the Antichrist, but as he grew older, he came to terms with his destiny, and he set out to do his father's wishes. In the second film, Damien revealed to his cousin Mark that he was the son of the Devil, and asked him to join him in his attempt at world conquest. When Mark refused his offer, Damien murders him by introducing an aneurysm into his brain and later set his aunt and uncle on fire at the end of the film. In the final Omen film, The Final Conflict, we are introduced to a grown up Damien, and we also discover that he became the Ambassador of Great Britain. At this point in his life, he had fully come to terms with his role as the Antichrist, and any redeeming factors that he had in the previous films had vanished at this point in time. When he realized that the Second Coming was on the horizon, he makes a decree that every baby boy in England that was born on March 24, 1982, be sentenced to death as a means of stopping the Christ child from being reborn. Along the way, he gets romantically involved with a female journalist, whom he then rapes, and he also manipulated her son into following him. He later uses said son as a human shield when Father De Carlo attempted to use one of the Daggers of Megiddo against him. Damien then tries to strangle the priest to death. Damien also manipulated Barbara into killing her husband with an iron, and she unintentionally helps Damien in his attempt to kill the Christ child by killing her baby.
How's this?

edited 11th Apr '14 3:32:48 PM by AustinDR

OccasionalExister Since: Jul, 2012
#23430: Mar 30th 2014 at 2:48:11 PM

[up]Very good entry. Good work Austin.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
TheOverlord Since: Jan, 2015
#23432: Mar 30th 2014 at 3:14:57 PM

I will say [tup] to Yoshida and [tdown] to Youtube Poop Krabs.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#23433: Mar 30th 2014 at 3:24:11 PM

Yea to Cobb and Yoshida here

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#23434: Mar 30th 2014 at 5:18:07 PM

Okay, then, I'll request that the Damien Thorn entry be added to the Monster.Film subpage.

TVRulezAgain Since: Sep, 2011
#23435: Mar 30th 2014 at 6:47:26 PM

Anyone object if I request Bill Sikes be added to the Lit page?

edited 30th Mar '14 6:48:36 PM by TVRulezAgain

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#23437: Mar 30th 2014 at 8:04:43 PM

I prefer not to get involved in the vote on YTP Mr Krabs, but here are his actions:

  • Upon hearing of a man who has been passing himself off as a health inspector to obtain free food, he immediately assumes it's the one that's come to his restaurant with no proof and decides to kill him with a poisoned patty.

  • Shoots and kills two officers with a machine gun and burns down their police car after he thought they saw him burying the dead inspector.

  • Apperently comes to enjoy murder and begins hearing a voice telling him "kill more, kill more, kill more, more, more, more!"

  • Kills two guards before breaking out of prison after Squidward and Sponge Bob call the police and have him arrested.

  • Breaks into Squidward's home and kills him with an axe, then takes his head and blood as trophies, keeping the blood in a can and the head in a sheet of paper with "Gotta have more" written on it in blood.

  • Kills Patrick and wears his skin.

  • Tries to kill Sponge Bob.

jjj
HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
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#23438: Mar 30th 2014 at 8:12:30 PM

It's a YTP. It was made, undoubtedly, because the premise is ridiculous. [tdown][tdown][tdown][tdown]

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#23439: Mar 30th 2014 at 8:22:19 PM

Though in bobg's defense, there are many nonsensical forms of media that we agreed made sense enough for there to be a complete monster in it. I'm not saying he counts, though. I'm just saying it's odd how we let some shows pass and when he comes with this YTP, we say it's too ridiculous to have a CM.

TVRulezAgain Since: Sep, 2011
#23440: Mar 30th 2014 at 8:34:11 PM

Oddworld

  • Sekto. He hunted the Steef race for sport, causing them to become endangered. To add insult to injury, he's using one of the last remaining Steef as a host body.

Stub.

Onimusha

  • Complete Monster: Munenori from Dawn of Dreams. He attacked his own family, the Yagyu clan because he thought his grandfather killed his mother, which was his Start of Darkness. When Munenori's niece reveals that his mother actually gave her life to save him, and his grandfather had nothing to do with it, Munenori is initially taken aback. Then, he starts to laugh, and reveals he doesn't care what happened in his past, he will continue to be evil.
    • Mitsunari qualifies as well. Not only did he spearhead the Genma research that led to the creation of the Genma Trees and caused the entire country to be swept into chaos, he invited the demon Claudius to inhabit his body, willingly as opposed to being possessed, and as a result it became impossible to tell where one ended and the other began. Unlike Hideyoshi, whose grand delusions were stroked by the Genma Triumvirate, or Luis Frois, who began researching the Genma purely out of curiosity only to end up being possessed by Rosencratz, Mitsunari knew exactly what he was doing, and he wanted it to happen. It's enough to make one doubt he was ever human in the first place.

If Munenori loves his mother he's a cut.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#23442: Mar 30th 2014 at 8:37:08 PM

Actually, kinda subverted. Munenori plays it up, but then reveals he doesn't really care about her at all.

While he may have once loved his mother, he's long since abandoned it.

Couple of proposals. The first is from the film Out of the Furnace, with Christian Balde and Woody Harrelson, the latter as the villain and psycho meth boss Harlan Degroat. here's a brief rundown: Degroat begins the film on a date at the drive in movie theater. When his date laughs at him, Degroat chokes her and slams her head on the dashboard before beating a good samaritan trying to help her violently, and challenging anyone who wants some to take him on before storming off.

What kicks the main plot off is Bale's character's brother, who's in debt to a fellow named Petty. To make up the debt, said brother, Rodney, does amateur bare knuckle fight. When Rodney wants more high profile fights, Petty reluctantly arranges a fight with Degroat, to whom Petty owes money. The deal is Rodney takes a dive for the debts being dropped. Rodney takes the dive, but Degroat murders both of them later. Bale's character learns Degroat was responsible and tries to lure him in by calling anonymously and claiming he has the money Petty owed Degroat. When Degroat arrives, he also executes the unarmed, helpless bartender after opening fire on Bale.

Three murders, all of them pointless, violent abuse on a woman and a brutal beating of a guy who wanted to help her...I say keeper.

Also, this film was at the Speckles the Tarbosaurus page:

  • Complete Monster: One-Eye. Let's see. He purposely starts a stampede that tramples one of Speckles siblings to death as well as knocking two others off a cliff. He then throws Speckles mother off a cliff. He then spends TWENTY years making Speckles life miserable, even going as far as trying to kill Speckles' mate and killing a few of Speckle's children.

One-Eye is a keep. He's not just a predator, but an active sadist. He actually starts a stampede that kills Speckles' child siblings and murders his mother by chucking hr off a cliff. He repeatedly hounds the Tarbosaurus hero, trying to murder him or torment him, tries to kill his mate and murders his children at the end. None of this is done for food, either. He never eats the victims. I can rewrite him easy.

edited 30th Mar '14 9:14:15 PM by Lightysnake

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#23443: Mar 30th 2014 at 10:44:08 PM

[up]I confess that I have trouble thinking that somebody from a show called Speckles the Tarbosaurus could qualify. DeGroat] sounds like a qualifier though.

@Austin DR

Find me something that is equally ridiculous that we've decided has a keeper. We've cut all the Family Guy and South Park examples. We've cut any number of bad fanfic examples once we were able to prove their was parody involved. We've cut various Abridged series examples.

We don't list comedy examples. And we don't, for the most part, list guys who only appear for a few minutes. This is an example of both, unless there's something I'm not being told.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#23444: Mar 30th 2014 at 10:54:07 PM

It's a film, and it's...surprisingly mature, what with the various child deaths and the main character making no issues about being a carnivore. The difference is Speckles kills to ear, whereas One Eye does that, and is a sadistic Serial Killer who murders kids for the hell of it and devotes his existence to killing everything remotely connected to this kid for 20 years.

Also, it's Korean, so that explains the title. The alternate titles are The Dino King and Tarbosaurus.

It's definitely not a kiddy film, though.

edited 30th Mar '14 10:55:40 PM by Lightysnake

SuperSaiyaMan Since: Jun, 2009
#23445: Mar 31st 2014 at 12:50:13 AM

Speckles The Tarbosaurus is basically what you'd get if you got a Land Before Time sequel by Don Bluth in his prime, focusing on the carnivores instead of the herbivores.

sanfranman91 from Boston, MA Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#23446: Mar 31st 2014 at 4:56:59 AM

If Munemori loves his mother, then terminate his entry with extreme prejudice.

Also, Degroat and One-Eye get my [tup].

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#23447: Mar 31st 2014 at 5:25:49 AM

Well, as an example, Kill la Kill. Don't get me wrong, I agreed too, but the entire concept of the show is so ridiculous. Heck, in Ragyo's entry, it even acknowledges how surreal the show generally is, and essentially Ragyo is the only one that seemed to make any sense in this kind of world. I didn't mean to offend you, Ambar. I also didn't say that YTP!Krabs counted, it almost seemed like you thought I was actually going to consider him. I'm just trying to be fair with bobg's candidate, just so I wouldn't deliver any bad judgment.

edited 31st Mar '14 5:41:19 AM by AustinDR

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#23448: Mar 31st 2014 at 5:44:28 AM

I am pointing this out once again: Munenori explicitly doesn't love his mother

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#23449: Mar 31st 2014 at 5:46:17 AM

The entry should probably be changed to "He initially seemed to love his mother" if that is the case.

sanfranman91 from Boston, MA Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#23450: Mar 31st 2014 at 6:55:35 AM

[up][up] My bad, Lighty. If that's the case, then Munemori sounds like a qualifier. His entry is going to need quite a bit expanding though.

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