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At issue:
The series continues to devolve into a platform for Seth MacFarlane's religious and political views rather than trying to actually be funny.
It just isn't funny anymore. All of the jokes are nothing but shock value, random 80s references, and the usual race stereotypes that are barely above Carlos Mencia in terms of wit.
The increasingly cruel treatment of Meg.
Stewie. Turned from a funny and sophisticated Enfant Terrible with some baby traits into a wimpy Camp Gay man in a baby body.
That everyone uses Seth as a scapegoat when he hasn't written a episode since it was uncanceled.
Conway Twitty.
Not All Dogs go to Heaven. In two (three?) words, it could be described as "non-Atheists suck!" Even worse is the ending, where they compare theists to nazis, (book burning).
I'm surprised nobody's complained about the increasing reliance on overly long gags. It was funny for a while, but every episode seems to need at least one to fill the time now.
The massive character flanderization like Peter becoming a cruel sociopath, Brian becoming a liberal douchebag, and Stewie being constantly used for gay jokes, the constant use of one note characters like Herbert, the cruel tasteless jokes just to shock and offend people, and the overly long musical numbers.
The writers seem to have caught on to many fan complaints and have started addressing them, but there's one on which they doggedly refuse to budge: Since the series' un-cancellation, the references themselves rarely seem to include any kind of joke anymore. They're just there.
They used to actually do something humorous with references, like having Peter work as a Ghostbuster and vacuum up Patrick Swayze, whereas nowadays the writers will just take a scene from, say, Caddyshack or Ferris Bueller's Day Off, recast it with the show's characters, and simply plop it into an episode as is. I can't imagine what sort of person finds this lazy crap hilarious; all it really does for me is serve to remind that I could be watching Caddyshack or Ferris Bueller instead.
In the most recent episode, Meg does what many fans have been dying for and calls her family out on how they treat her. Just as we're celebrating the fact that she's grown a backbone and stated the "horrible" truth about how they're all humongous jerkasses, she goes back on her words because she realizes that her family supposedly needs someone to be a deliberate ass to else they fall into dysfunction (she made them all cry and now feels bad about it. The only one who had her back was Brian).
The writers took what could have been a sea-change moment, finally giving us some hope regarding Meg and flushed it down the toilet in the span of 2 minutes. THAT is my one and only complaint on Family Guy and it took 10 seasons to get to that point.
The long musical numbers. Does anyone enjoy it when they keep going long after you get the reference?
"Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Conway Twitty!"
Stewie and Brian's Spotlight Stealing. When you already take into account those two are the most flanderized of the show, it makes it that much more painful.
Nothing I can add about "Not All Dogs Go To Heaven" will really change anyones minds outside of saying that for the reasons that people hate this show, (Seth's super liberal look at church and people involved with the church) drove me away far sooner. Luring me back with Star Trek bait which was the B story of the episode with the whole TNG cast and all it did is expose me to this dreck.
If Seth is so brave to put down religion, lets see some more jokes at the not so safe religons and not just Christians and Jews. Family Guy can't work into that realm of "All things are open game and thus everything is funny" working in that context.
That cleaning lady. Seriously, I hate her. Made even worse when she was in their telling of episode V, when even Darth Vader didn't just shut her up by force choking her.
Anti-religious episodes? Cool. Legalizing marijuana? Cool. ANOTHER episode or five against religion? Fine. These episodes are fine be me and I agree with them.
Except for the fact that those aren't comedy scripts, those are some guy submitting his forum posts as episodes.
The fact that liking Family Guy seems to have become a stoning offence. At this point, they could do the best episode of any TV show ever, and people still wouldn't be pleased.
The fact that the show seems to think that having some dialog go on way too long is a good substitute for a joke. Like the scene where Stewie looks at the things in Lois' parents' candy jar. Car keys aren't candy, I get it, move on to a joke now.
That some people complain about this show just for the sake of complaining. Just look at some of the DMOS.
The irreverent and unceasing mockery of the disabled and the LGBT community.
Consuela. Good God, I just HATED her.
Also, the Conway Twitty cutaways really irked me.
And I really don't see the problem with Meg. She seems fine.
The fact the show doesn't do anything else than relying on its offensive humor and its violence. It could be such a better show otherwise.
They stopped doing Rhode Island in-jokes aside from the obvious ones.
In "And I'm Joyce Kinney," Joyce finally gets her revenge after Lois humiliated her in high school. But once Lois owns up to it, everyone suddenly loves her again. Am I the only one thinking that was hugely unfair? Or can it just be chocked up to Lois being a Bitch in Sheep's Clothing?
After Quagmire's "The Reason You Suck" speech and this season's episode in which Bill Maher and his panel disparaged Brian's book, Brian has been completely derailed. Now when I watch an older episode, I look at Brian completely differently and being aware of his flaws has turned him into a character I now hate.
Herbert the Pervert squicks me beyond belief.
I feel as those if you take an episode from before their first cancellation and compare it to an episode after the second cancellation you can see the difference. Before they were able to make a joke on the character in a cutaway like when Peter farted in an elevator and blamed it on someone else. The joke wasn't in the fart it was in Peter being dumb, now we're treated to jokes like Horton hears domestic violence and doesn't do anything about. So we're treated to a shot of Horton reading a book while a woman is beat in the background. If Seth wants to save this show he's got to get back into the business of working with his characters instead of making them joke generators.
Compare Family guy to American dad! Do the characters in Family guy seem like actual people with real thoughts and feelings? No not really do the people in American dad! Seem like actual people? Yeah because they show emotion not tell it.
The end of the episode where Brain sleeps with Quagmire's father (who had undergone a sex-change). Now, I get that Quagmire hates Brain, but does that even come close to justifying charging into his house and beating him senseless? It wouldn't bother me nearly as much if it weren't for the fact that there was no way that Brian could have known who he had slept with. Hell, even upon finding out, Brian was so revolted that he threw up.
Basically, what I'm saying is that, while I understand perfectly that Quagmire would be pissed off upon hearing about it, did he really have to take it that far?
Where to begin, the preachy episodes about how anyone who would ever believe in God or lean anywhere right of center politically is at best a moron or more likely an active sociopath trying to undermine civilization, or the way all of the characters have been flanderized into complete douchebags?
Oh I know, how about the way that way that half of the jokes aren't even funny. *cough Consuela cough cough* The sermons and the vastly mutated characters I could live with if at least the jokes were funny.
Let me sum up the problems with Family Guy at the moment:
Family Guy when it first came out in 1999 might have been misconstrued as a Simpsons rip off, but in all honesty, it wasn't! When it first came out, and it's hard to believe now that it was ever like this, it was an original-animated sitcom, whilst being about a family added new things to the concept, like for example a baby with a high IQ and Rex-Harrison's voice bent on world domination and killing Lois, and Brian, a sophisticated dog that was looking out for Peter and tried to prevent him from doing anything wrong. The characters were somewhat dysfunctional, yet likeable, but FOX at the time, hardly gave the show a chance, as well as Futurama, they pushed both shows aside and put them on at difficult timeslots! The show was originally cancelled in 2000, brought back in 2001 and then cancelled in 2002!
The long-awaited second revival happened, believe it or not, due to the huge success of the DVD sales, and without the support of the original fanbase, the show wouldn't be on as of now! During the break, they started to change the premise of the show, trying to make it the next "South Park", however, I know alot of people hated the revival, but I'm going to be honest, seasons 4 and 5 didn't live up to seasons 1-3, but they stayed true to the original characters! They didn't focus much on Stewie's evil-side, but we all know that he was still somewhat evil inside and was going to return to his evil-ways someday, Peter and the majority of the family started to pick on Meg more, but despite THAT, we all know that they cared about her deeply inside, and they weren't such bad characters, sure they changed, but they were still the likeable ones we've come to know and love!
THEN came the downfall of the show and this is when Seth left the writing department and due to the writer's strike(although the first half of season 6 was great), they completely changed the premise of the show! They have been making it more like "South Park" for years, but it seems like they don't completely get South Park, as South Park is much more than swearing and sex jokes!
The characters' flaws became more apparent and more frequent since Seth left, Stewie has lost any evil-element to him and now is a homosexual-stereotype that acts as if a soccer mom phoned in and complained about the fact that he was an evil baby bent on world domination!(You have to admit, the evil baby thing WAS pretty cool, why they got rid of that aspect I don't know and it's a complete insult to the original fans) If you've seen the episode "Hannah Banana", Stewie reveals that he's a huge Hannah Montana fan and it is SO cringeworthy if you were a fan during the original run!
Brian, you're going to be surprised here, but I don't think Brian is that unlikeable, but I think they're trying to make him out to be, "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven", they were basically ridiculing him for not believing in God, but it was really his opinion and at the end of the day, Brian had to express his opinion on why he doesn't believe, he's the only one that shows any sympathy for Meg in the more recent ones, I agree, they shouldn't make Brian out to be Seth's cartoon character-puppet, but to me he's still pretty likeable, despite the flaws! I hated how they turned him completely cocky in "Brian Writes a Bestseller" though, as Brian is usually WAY more mature than that!
Lois, who once was probably one of the best cartoon moms, now comes across as a little slutty and a bit of a bad parent, although she is more caring than Peter actually is concerning their family, she's not completely unbearable, but why does she bash on Meg too?! Lois used to defend Meg alot, and she's supposed to be the sane one!
Chris, who used to be a naive, happy-go-lucky teenager has turned into some bitter-angry, foul mouthed cynical teenager that acts like some kind of smartass and is quick to overreact, and he seems kinda mean-spirited now! This is since season 8, and a similar change happened to Quagmire!
Quagmire, who used to be slightly mild-mannered, I know he was a pervert, but at the end of the day, was a likeable person, despite his flaws, since season 8, has turned REALLY cynical and all he does is bash on Brian and start shouting at him whenever he appears on screen! Plus the Cheryl Tiegs backstory just doesn't WORK for Quagmire!
Also, the show is overdoing the swearing and the sex jokes, if Seth was still at the writing department, it'd be controlled better, and also I don't consider seasons 6-present canon!
The very fact that it could be so much better than it currently is. SO MUCH BETTER.
In "Meg and Quagmire." I feel like they missed an opportunity at what could have been a decently nice episode, for Meg at least, by Quagmire going from the caring guy who was actually nice to Meg specifically to the pervert he is for other women. Or, at least, according to Lois and Peter, who suddenly give a fuck about Meg, literally out of the blue.
Instead of an episode where Meg found some individuality and maturity with turning eighteen, it turned into another "Meg's wrong about everything she's doing because she's just a teenage girl" episode. Kind of like "Not All Dogs Go To Heaven," but with sex instead of religion.
Excessive use of out of nowhere violence Like the previously mentioned Quagmire busting into their house just to beat up Brian. While it was rarely used when Mc Farlane wrote, the new writers have milked this joke for all it's worth.
Quagmire's hatred of Brian. It started out being a very well deserved Take That Scrappy, but as the gag ran on, he began freaking out on Brian for things he had no idea (the christmas special where he though his cancerous neice was a boy, how the hell was he supposed to know?), to him beating up Brian for sleeping with his recently transgendered dad (again, he didn't know) to the point of Brain crawling away to try and escape, only to get dragged back into it.
Logical conclusion was reached when, after it looks like they've finally reconciled, Quagmire got in his car and ran Brian over, fully intending to kill him (there's no way it was an accident, he smirked).
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