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#3351: Apr 7th 2024 at 10:14:02 PM

Well, I asked it to write a VERY basic sorting code.

It took me fixing 6 glitches to get it to work.

If it can't even write a basic sorting code on its own, then how can it be used for anything useful?

[down]OK, good point, but I still won't trust any AI to do programming, and I still hate Generative AI for all the other reasons I don't feel like mentioning right now

Edited by Cordite-455 on Apr 9th 2024 at 4:23:32 AM

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#3352: Apr 7th 2024 at 11:40:28 PM

Did it take you less time to fix the glitches than it would to write the code yourself? Because if so then that’s the use case right there.

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#3353: Apr 8th 2024 at 1:07:42 AM

If it can't even write a basic sorting code on its own, then how can it be used for anything useful?

Because I don't want it to design algorithms for me, I want it to write boilerplate for test setups, fill in patterns I've already established, and maybe simplify things I missed.

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#3354: Apr 8th 2024 at 2:53:04 AM

I dont know if it's the intended use case but I have also had pretty good luck with giving it code that doesnt work and asking why.

If it works it just saved me a decent amount of time, if it doesnt checking that took like 30 seconds.

Edited by Imca on Apr 8th 2024 at 7:04:53 PM

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#3355: Apr 9th 2024 at 8:23:08 AM

Texas will be using AI to grade open ended questions on the State of Texas Assessments of Academic Readiness, or STAAR, standardized tests being taken this week.

This won't backfire at all.

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#3356: Apr 9th 2024 at 8:39:30 AM

I foresee a future where teacher use AI to grade papers that the students generated using AI.

Or did I see that on the news? Hard to tell these days.

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#3357: Apr 9th 2024 at 10:31:16 AM

Here’s the thing, if done properly that’s not a terrible future. If AI tools become widespread enough we are going to want to start educating kids on how to use them and then checking that they’ve used them properly.

Much the same way we now teach kids how to use a calculator and then have a computer check they got the sums correct.

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#3358: Apr 9th 2024 at 11:32:01 AM

Yeah, but I think like, getting AI to grade open ended opinion questions is very much not the way to go about that, especially because you can't go back and ask the AI why it picked the grades it did.

Not Three Laws compliant.
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#3359: Apr 9th 2024 at 1:32:30 PM

From a technological perspective I’m sure you could program an AI that would save the reasoning it uses, checking the article they’re not literally asking Chat GPT to provide the grading.

Gradings need to be auditable and repeatable to have any value, if the AI they’re using doesn’t work that way then they’re opening themselves up to a lawsuit and could do it much cheeper by assigning grades via a random number generator.

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#3360: Apr 9th 2024 at 1:36:09 PM

If schools don't want to spend money to hire people to grade papers, they should just say so outright.

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#3362: Apr 14th 2024 at 6:36:02 AM

TCL, the Chinese TV manufacturer, is experimenting with making a full movie where every scene is AI generated.

And wow, does it look bad. It's obvious to some people, like my mom and I, how the people and environs change scene by scene. Just look at the clock on the tower! Or the main characters, who sometimes look like totally different people!

I showed the trailer to some coworkers, and a few of them noticed the constant changes, while some others couldn't see it at all.

My mom said she hopes people reject this type of stuff!

The article contains it, but I'll directly link the trailer here:

Edited by BonsaiForest on Apr 14th 2024 at 9:36:47 AM

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#3363: Apr 14th 2024 at 6:44:05 AM

It's really obvious, yeah. Also has that super blatant "here's this one bit of a scene we're AI animating over a background" look for all the character movement. I think they're just taking stock photos and working from there.

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#3364: Apr 14th 2024 at 6:46:40 AM

The thing feels off, and I can't tell if it's because I was warned beforehand or not

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#3365: Apr 14th 2024 at 6:54:57 AM

That seems more like sloppy editing and directing than bad AI. It's not like live action movies never contain blatant continuity errors, bad editing, or poor narrative control of time and place.

While AI is certainly not perfect, it seems a bit unfair to lay the blame for sloppy film making at the feet of the technology. We wouldn't do the same for a poorly made CGI film either.

Edited by Redmess on Apr 14th 2024 at 3:56:14 PM

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#3366: Apr 14th 2024 at 8:06:02 AM

It’s entirely possible that they had an AI do the editing as well.

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#3367: Apr 14th 2024 at 8:12:30 AM

I suppose so. Well, I guess we can always call it an art film. grin

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#3369: Apr 14th 2024 at 8:48:01 AM

On a more serious note, I wonder if it would improve if we could train AI to follow film rules, like the classical unities of time, place, and action, and basic story structure. Perhaps AI just needs a course in proper storyboarding.

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#3371: Apr 14th 2024 at 9:13:36 AM

Exactly. I think a rigidly structured story would be a good start for an AI.

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#3372: Apr 14th 2024 at 9:45:26 AM

Well, when it will be able to remember entire films, it should learn something like that automatically.

Edited by Smeagol17 on Apr 14th 2024 at 7:45:36 PM

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#3373: Apr 14th 2024 at 10:16:24 AM

That depends on how well it can discern the rules of film making, I guess.

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#3374: Apr 14th 2024 at 11:40:10 AM

Seems like something you could train them on.

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#3375: Apr 14th 2024 at 12:07:33 PM

sometimes you end up with an idea that's incredibly obvious but also obviously stupid. it's inevitable that someone will do it, and it's inevitable that the end result will be stupid— it's just a question of who is willing to take the plunge .

like that Winnie the pooh horror movie

or the movie based on the charles Manson killings (the first one came out during the trials)

"first all ai movie" definitely falls under that category

Edited by Tremmor19 on Apr 14th 2024 at 3:08:50 PM


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