Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
Shit, now I am offically spoiled on Persona 4.
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So besides Atrocitus, anyone brave enough to do the page-top headers for Ace Attorney?
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Characters.Spider Man Insomniac Villains has been split into two sub-pages. Was it discussed here?
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I don't think so.
That said, the major and minor combined are over 260k characters.
And if we keep that, we could probably merge Kraven with the Major ones.
EDIT: I took care of Atrocitus.
Edited by ACW on May 8th 2024 at 5:45:25 AM
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From Characters.Jurassic Park:
- Tyrannosaurus (48,472 characters)
- Rexy (45,858 characters)
Easy merge.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Agreed.
Update on Characters.Mega Man Zero. Turns out the huge amount of images in Characters.Mega Man Zero Antagonists ended up showing the warning, so I came up with a re-split like this. I think it's still better for navigation than original.
- Characters.Mega Man Zero: Zero and Allies. ~94k
- Characters.Mega Man Zero Antagonists: Major enemies (Copy X, Weil, etc.) ~136k
- Characters.Mega Man Zero Minor Bosses: Minor enemies with less importance. ~99k
I also got rid of Characters.Mega Man Classic Dr Albert W Wily because it's also short (47k) and Characters.Mega Man Classic Villains can totally handle it (which is now at 119k)
Hi everyone, I may have a page for cleanup.
The Walking Dead Video Game Playable Characters: 62,451 characters
The Walking Dead Video Game - Clementine: 86,833 characters
Animu
Clementine can be merged.
Memetic Loser Mother
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Shouldn't Weil be a redirect to the antagonists page?
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Animu
Yeah, I've just corrected it to redirect to Characters.Mega Man Classic Villains.
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Weil, not Wily.
And Sigma should probably redirect to Mega Man X - Villains.
Also, don't forget Character Specific Pages Byte Check and the page-top indexes. I'll take care of the Complete Monster stuff.
Edited by ACW on May 9th 2024 at 7:32:26 AM
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Animu
In the end all of the Megaman redirects were wrong, but I think we've just fixed them.
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Yeah, I think we got all of 'em. I got the Complete Monster stuff.
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Yeah, my bad. I temporarily redirected them to default pages because a lot of them cover two series and didn't fix them.
Y'know, why is Iris' folder in the Mega Man X - Villains page?
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Should Spider-Man (Insomniac): Major Villains absorb Kraven's page? It'd be I think under 200k characters total.
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You fight her as a boss in X4 and honestly that's really her only role.
Animu
Yes, it should be merged.
And now I'm going to merge Characters.Is It Wrong To Try To Pick Up Girls In A Dungeon Bell Cranel (45k) into Characters.Is It Wrong To Try To Pick Up Girls In A Dungeon Hestia Familia (54k).
Edit: Let's see about Haruhi Suzumiya:
- Characters.Haruhi Suzumiya (51,3 k)
- Characters.Haruhi Suzumiya SOS Brigade (85,9 k)
- Characters.Haruhi Suzumiya The Character (123,2 k)
- Characters.Haruhi Suzumiya SOS Brigade (85,9 k)
I really want to merge Haruhi to the SOS brigade because disambiguating with (The character) is ugly.
Edited by animuacid on May 9th 2024 at 5:03:23 PM
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Actually, more Insomniac stuff:
- Kraven can be merged, then I think the rest of the villain are good.
- Spider-Man (Insomniac): Heroes (138k+) can absorb Spider-Man (Insomniac): Peter Parker (nearly 68k).
- Spider-Man (Insomniac): Supporting Cast (127k) can absorb Spider-Man (Insomniac): Otto Octavius (58k).
- Unless we wanna move the latter to Spider-Man (Insomniac): The Sinister Six (84k+)? I'm not sure.
- Major Villains + Kraven is around 193k, while Sinister Six (without Ock) and Venom are around 83k-84k, so the latter two are fine.
- Minor Villains is about 119k+, so that's also fine.
- I'm completely unsure what to do about Spider-Man (Insomniac): Peter Parker's Suits (78k+) and Spider-Man (Insomniac): Miles Morales' Suits (31.1k). Maybe keep Peter's page separate and add his suits, then add Miles's suits to Spider-Man (Insomniac): Heroes?
So, in summary, my thoughts:
- Merge Kraven with the Major Villains.
- Merge Otto with either the Supporting Cast or the Sinister Six.
- Keep Peter separate, but add his suits.
- Add Miles's suits to the Heroes page.
Lies and Violence!
Otto has separate folders for his time as a supporting character and his time as a villain, so you could probably just split those back up.
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That's a possibility.
EDIT: And I think I can have each suits stuff at the end of the respective pages.
Edited by ACW on May 9th 2024 at 11:21:40 AM
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![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to merging Kraven (one that I created before the new CSP policy comes in) back to his parent page as well as Otto and Dr. Octopus back to their respective pages. We'll figure out what to do when the new villains in the DLCs and the third game are introduced when the times comes.
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I was using Otto and Doc Ock interchangeably ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
BTW, for Ace Attorney, does anyone know how the pages are organized? I don't know where in the lawyers section of Ace Attorney: Wright Anything Agency to put Apollo (Phoenix probably goes first); ditto for Ace Attorney: Main Prosecutors with Miles and Franziska.
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God that's gonna be a pain with the CM stuff, but so be it.
Was Green Lantern - Atrocitus agreed to be merged back with GL - Red Lantern Corps? Because it's still at the page-top indexes and the Byte Count sandbox.
I mean, shit, even at the top of the Red page Atrocitus is still there.
Edited by ACW on May 8th 2024 at 11:22:46 AM
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