The General Star Wars Thread

I once wrote one myself

Well, not exactly a FF, it was a private Text RPG with somebody else, we both created OC's who survived Order 66, alongside Ahsoka (their mutual friend).

Don't judge me, I was young That was like, in 2009/2010.

It's a lot harder to explain a youngling from the temple surviving than a random Jedi padawan offworld.

Anakin's pretty good at murdering children. He's had practice, after all.

That's right.

It's also wrong.

It’s called delightfully devilish.😈

It's probably deliberate, but it's interesting how the acts that cement his turn to the Dark Side aren't remotely awesome feats of power or skill.

• He chops off Windu's arm when Windu is distracted and understandably wasn't worried about Anakin doing something like that.

• He then murders a bunch of children with troopers as backup.

• He also slaughters the Separatist Council who were completely defenseless and expecting him to help them.

• He Force Chokes his pregnant wife.

The first actual fight he has as a Sith Lord ends with him losing his limbs and burns everywhere.

For that matter, the first time Palpatine reveals himself and fights as a Sith Lord against Jedi, he gets his face melted and needed Anakin's cheap shot to bail him out.

It does support Yoda's statement that the Dark Side isn't actually stronger, just better at presenting an illusion of strength. "Quicker, more seductive".

Edited by M84 on May 7th 2024 at 10:54:14 PM

To be fair, he also killed at least 2 Jedi Masters in the Temple (Shaak Ti and Cin Drallig).

Though Shaak Ti didn't even try to fight back. She calmly meditated after recording her last holocron, and did so right up to the moment Anakin showed up and stabbed her in the back.

Was Shaak Ti killed by Anakin? It's really vague.

Jokes aside, her being killed by Anakin is actually her canonical death.

I find it funny how many deaths she has,its like she has multiple lives

Maybe her species evolved from cats…

Felix Sapiens, bred from the common house cat and about as half as intelligent

I didn't know Disney canon canonised the temple death. That's interesting.

When did that happen tho? What's the source for her dying in the temple being canon?

Yoda's vision perhaps? Or maybe it's due to the fact that since Force Unleashed was decanonized, there was no reason to retcon Shaak Ti's death anymore.

After all, the video game developers wanted Starkiller to fight a true Jedi Master. So why not a Jedi Master that has apparently survived multiple deaths in the past?

I think it was confirmed in the 2015 Star Wars Comic line

As for Cin Drallig, in the brief shot during the movie, Anakin seems to handle him with contemptuous ease.

In the Game, there is a neat boss fight, made more difficult by having to fight his pupil Serra beforehand.

Yeah, just imagine how powerful Anakin would really be if he actually managed to get training from Sidious to really use the Dark Side efficiently while at peak condition.

Anakin is far stronger as Darth Vader but his potential is hampered by his injuries and cybernetics.

Even that is debatable. Sidious in legends also believes, perhaps not fully but seriously, that Vader is damaged psychologically more than physically. That he actually can become the strongest Sith Lord ever if he could just move on from his past. If he could just leave his past behind himself. That if he would just accept his choices and decisions that he would feel better. But he can’t. And therefore he can’t get stronger.

Also yeah, Cin Drallig’s death is a feat that dark Anakin can add to his belt. And if you count the video game then he beats Mace Windu too. And if that was in the film he probably would have beat Mace just fine without help.

While not canon, I enjoyed that alternate take of Anakin duelling Mace.

In general, Episode 3 was one of the better movie-licensed games.

Ep 3 Darth Vader would totally beat Mace Windu. I'm not apologizing.

This is from the side materials so YMMV on how much it’s relevant to the movie, but Drallig is the head lightsaber instructor for the entire Jedi Order, and the other two Jedi in the holo with him fighting Anakin are the two best students of his current class.

As reprehensible as Anakin’s actions are here, he is legitimately VERY powerful, and doesn’t only go after easy targets.

Yeah, the dark side gives power at a very big price, so it makes sense Anakin would be able to take on far more experienced fighters like Cin Drallig but pays the price with losing his wife, freedom, and best friend.

Using the Dark Side is a deal with the devil.

I always thought of the Dark side less as a power boost and more like an unhinged or unfettered state. The Dark side user doesn't have more raw power but rather they are just tossing it around unrestrained. That's why I assumed Obi-Wan was able to beat Anakin at his best. Anakin was already stronger than most Jedi and had insane potential regardless of his mental state. At the end of the third movie, he just became more reckless with his already absurd power which made him a much tougher opponent to fight. This was a double edged sword because it made him overconfident enough for Obi-Wan's better training and skill to even the power gap that was already there.

You also have to factor in that the Dark Side allows you to tap into powers that the Jedi won't ever use like Force Lightning or dominate mind.

So....it does give power, but the Light Side is more defensive and peaceful in nature, and that's what allowed Obi-Wan to win against Anakin. Soresu is even a defensive style that Kenobi uses IIRC.

That's fair. But I think that it is more of a philosophical issue than a power one. It's not that a strong Jedi couldn't dominate someone mind because we see them do the much softer Jedi mind trick. It's more that they don't want to violate someone's autonomy to such an extant.

The Dark side isn't giving raw power, but rather it's someone choosing to give in to their worst destructive impulses and use their powers without restraint.

The Light side isn't peaceful because light is peaceful. Rather, people who do peaceful things and care about using power justly are called Light Side users.

Edited by Freshwater on May 8th 2024 at 12:52:05 PM