Marvel Cinematic Universe

Yeah, that's why I said meh to both movies. There's nothing really grabbing my attention and making me want to buy tickets.

Nobody thinks the solution is to give "St Fiege a little more time fixing everything in post-production". Fixing things in post production is one of the issues Marvel Studios has been having (massive reshoots that balloon up the budget.)

The whole point is that the studio as a whole keeps their output at a manageable level, opposed to just blasting out a higher level that lowers the quality.

That's effectively what the positive response here means because again the only people affected by the number of movies they put out is the higher ups supervising all the movies.

eta: Maybe having less movies of the slate will help if Fiege's looking closer at pre-production instead of doing post for everything? But the number of movies matters less than that change in perception, in organisation and production technique.

They could keep making more projects if they staffed them and organised them so the higher ups that are in short supply didn't need to so much quality control of them.

Edited by dcutter2 on May 7th 2024 at 3:44:13 PM

There's also budgeting issues with making more content per year, as well as scheduling would be easier.

W/ regard to Cap 4 it's more like nervousness at its post-production woes especially the extensive reshoots that's guaranteed to bloat the budget (a failing that's become all too common in Hollywood in recent history) as well as the plot allegedly being a rehash of Civil War specifically the mind control trigger and Captain America going against the US government to save a friend.

As for Thunderbolts, it just began filming but based on the roster it's pretty much Black Widow 2 combined w/ the iteration of Thunderbolts that makes them a US black ops team not to mention the reported supervillain they're facing against is The Sentry w/c rehashes the DCEU's problem w/ Suicide Squad 1.

Regardless I'm still gonna buy tickets to watch them though then rewatch them again on Disney+ and to be honest the only MCU movie I've considered a waste of time & money is and always will be Iron Man 3.

Edited by KRider on May 7th 2024 at 7:53:39 AM

We know the vfx crews are horribly overworked from working on so much stuff at a constant rate and this is also why the special effects tend to look really bad in recent stuff.

So cutting down the movies might actually help a tad here. At least hopefully it will ease some strain off the special effects people.

Yeah I was thinking about that too, the reduction in shows and movies is going to be an overall net positive for the MCU.

Though now they have to worry about Sony's own super hero movies with the Marvel brand.

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 8th 2024 at 12:11:13 AM

Fewer shows with more episodes sounds like a good idea.

Hence why I have high hopes for Born Again.

Though I haven't watched any of the original show in a while...hard to coordinate with the people I watch with

Sending a military unit to take out a vigilante seems would be overkill, not to mention a waste of tax money.

With Hulk it makes sense, he can be a danger to civilians and that's why the government group in charge of Hulk operations.

Basically. I think I'd be fine with Ross being a Cap villain in the MCU if this was Ross first appearance in the MCU, a la with Ultron. Conceptually, he does work as, like, the antithesis of everything Cap (both Steve and Sam) stand for regarding the American government.

But doing it this way feel like they're just kind of... cutting off the Ross / Hulk thing halfway through and abruptly replacing it with something else. It just comes off as a bit slapdash, imo.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 7th 2024 at 3:19:27 AM

Which they started doing in 2016. This Ross hasn't had a hulk obsession for years and years.

MCU Ross from Civil War onwards is pretty much Henry Gyrich under a different name except a LOT LESS despicable.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure they're using Ross because it's setting up Thunderbolts.

Edited by MurlocAggroB on May 7th 2024 at 4:40:30 AM

Now that you mentioned it, Ross also set up a Thunderbolts team w/ himself, Agent Venom, Elektra & Punisher.

I don't see how it's cutting anything off between Ross and Hulk. TIH ended with Ross releasing a captured Banner to stop Blonsky, his obsession ran its course and there was such a gap between that and his next appearance that it wasn't all that jarring.

Yeah comics Ross has a deep obsession with Banner and the Hulk.

For MCU Ross, it always just seemed like a job. The fact that theres no Banner/Betsy romance probably helps with that.

I also double-checked the roster for Thunderbolts 6 (aka the iteration of Ross' team) and it also included Deadpool & Leader. Thinking back to BNW's exclusive teaser screening reporting that Ross wanted Sam to form a new Avengers team only for that to fall through bec Sam sides w/ Isaiah over his Commander in-chief, it wouldn't surprise me if Val puts the Thunderbolts forward as an alternative to the Avengers & named the team such to appeal to Ross' nickname. Thunderbolts 6 was also the start of Thunderbolts as a secret black ops team. Thunderbolts 3 (Osborn's team) & Thunderbolts 4 (Dark Reign roster) don't count bec they were still oficially listed as 50 State Initiative teams.

There actually was a Bruce/Betsy romance in Incredible Hulk. It just got forgotten bec Marvel decided not to bring back Liv Tyler for future appearances & Joss Whedon for some reason decided to pair Bruce & Nat together.

Edited by KRider on May 7th 2024 at 3:59:20 AM

If Ross is going to become the Red Hulk, then why exactly would he want a new Avengers team?

I assume for similar reasons to why Norman created the Dark Avengers during Dark Reign.

To have his own superhuman team.

But like...why would he need a superhuman team if he becomes the ultimate superhuman (in his eyes)?

Especially since said "superhuman" team mostly consists of discount Captain Americas?

Ross wanting to have a superhero team under his thumb does fit in w/ his Civil War characterization as his support for the Sokovia Accords was obviously less about holding the Avengers more accountable but more about him having the Avengers to boss around.

It's also possible that his transformation into Red Hulk may only be temporary and he may lose it as soon as the movie ends. We'll ultimately have to wait and see.

Edited by KRider on May 7th 2024 at 4:14:28 AM

A general needs an army.

...fair enough.

Who else is he going to bark orders at?