Walkthrough Mode Cleanup

Walkthrough Mode is defined as when Video Game examples go overboard with the details to the point of essentially telling readers how to play the game in question. Instead of just describing how difficult That One Boss is, they'll explain how to beat said boss. Instead of just describing a Guide Dang It! moment, they describe how to get around that moment. And so on.

If you find any Walkthrough Mode examples, take them here and we can fix 'em.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 11th 2021 at 12:23:09 PM

Figure I'll start at the top of Guide Dang It!.Pokemon and work my way down on a few.

Edited by YourIdeas on May 11th 2021 at 12:03:59 PM

This is on Hopeless Boss Fight:

• Similarly, one of the early missions in the Human campaign has you having to defend a small town against endless waves of undead. Given the small amount of resources, upgrades, and units that you can use to set up a decent defense, you can never actually destroy the two undead bases that keep sending their spawns at you. By the end of the mission, not even a perfectly positioned series of towers and soldiers can stop the undead from overwhelming you. To make matters worse, there's a side-quest in which you have to prevent a THIRD undead army on the other side of the map from being spawned.
  • Preventing the third army isn't hard if you've prepared for it since mission 1. By the time the third army side-quest starts, you can potentially have Arthas's invincibility spell up to level 3, which will give you more than enough time to destroy the AI causing the third army, grab the bonus item, and teleport back with a scroll of town portal before another wave of undead hit your base.

Is the triple-bullets point Walkthrough Mode?

Yup. The entry argues with itself. Reading just the second bullet, this looks like misuse of Hopeless Boss Fight.

Removed it.

About half of the Mega Man pages list which bosses give which abilities right in the description. I've brought this up a few times in ATT, but I don't believe I've ever gotten any feedback about it.

Specifically, the pages are:

• All of the games listed on Mega Man (Classic) in the "Main Games" and "Game Boy Games" folders + Mega Man Powered Up.
• All of the games listed on Mega Man X, except for Mega Man X: Command Mission.

We can just relegate those to the character pages.

On YMMV.Outer Wilds:

• That One Achievement: "Hotshot" is by far the most frustrating achievement in the game. To get it, you need to manually "land" on the Sun Station rather than enter it from one of the warp towers on the Ash Twin, which itself is a daunting task because of the orbital mechanics involved and the fact that it's one of the few objects in the game that you can't lock-on to from a distance. First, you need to achieve a stable orbit around the sun. This requires hitting the sweet spot between slingshotting yourself out of orbit and a fiery death. Next, you have to match the Sun Station's extremely fast orbit, which makes the prior effort even more difficult. Assuming you can manage to close within 100 meters, you can lock onto the debris of the connecting tunnel (the game won't spawn it in until you've reached this distance) and match its velocity. Once you've done all that, you just have to eject from the ship (you can't actually land it) and fly into one of the two sections to complete the achievement. To top it off, you only have the first 11 minutes of the loop to do it before the Station's orbit decays and crashes into the Sun.

Edited by DivineFlame100 on May 13th 2021 at 12:54:00 PM

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Edited by AGuy on May 14th 2021 at 6:50:31 AM

Hmm... I think that it could be compressed somewhat, at least.

Granted that I don't know the game, and am only going on the text above, but I might suggestion something like this:

That One Achievement: "Hotshot" is by far the most frustrating achievement in the game. To get it, you need to manually "land" on the Sun Station rather than enter it from one of the warp towers on the Ash Twin—a feat that's mechanically daunting enough. But actually landing requires several steps of manual manoeuvring against challenging orbital mechanics, each steps difficult in itself—and furthermore managing all that within a narrow window of opportunity before the station crashes into the Sun.

The revised example is a vast improvement and eliminates the WTM bloat. Thanks!

It's my pleasure, and I'm glad that it's liked! ^_^

I had fun compressing that down. Presuming that others find it acceptable, too, I might take a shot at others that are posted here. ^_^

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Edited by AGuy on May 14th 2021 at 6:50:42 AM

But that's all the context we need here. We don't need all that detail. It's unnecessary.

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Edited by AGuy on May 14th 2021 at 6:50:54 AM

Really? Because in reading Ars' version, I'm able to gather that:

• It's an achievement that requires landing in a place extremely difficult to land in
• It's hard because it's hard to maneuver around all the obstacles
• There's also a narrow time limit

Trust me, all the extra details aren't necessary here.

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Edited by AGuy on May 14th 2021 at 6:51:04 AM

We don't need complete detail. The phrase "several steps of manual manoeuvring against challenging orbital mechanics" provides far more information than "it's really fucking hard".

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Edited by AGuy on May 14th 2021 at 6:51:13 AM

I mean, that's sort of how all YMMV tropes work, though? Unless you want every single YMMV post to explain the nitty-gritty of all the context, they pretty much have to be boiled down to "here's why people think this". We don't need to prove these opinions are correct, we just need to explain why fans think these things.

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Edited by AGuy on May 14th 2021 at 6:51:24 AM

Speaking as someone who’s unfamiliar with the game, I think the re-written version is clear about what makes this difficult. I’m also more likely to actually read it, because it isn’t going over the whole thing step by step (in other words, it’s not written like a walkthrough...).

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Edited by AGuy on May 14th 2021 at 6:51:37 AM

Listen, man. I'm really not trying to sound rude here, nor am I trying to spark another debate with you. I know you have your reasons for preferring the older example, and that's fine. More power to ya.

But if everyone else on the thread disagrees with you, at some point consensus dictates that it's the example we go with. Now, I'm not going to stop you from continuing to try and change minds. Just keep in mind that if everyone else thinks the example is fine, then it might be because they just have a different interpretation of the situation than you do, and if that's the case, if it's all about personal opinion and perception, then there's not much that can be done to change anybody's minds here.

I just don't want to see another huge debate break out over something that's honestly pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.

In an effort to try and move on with something else, Guide Dang It/Pokemon's Johto section has a pretty massive wall of text on obtaining Pokemon in the original Gold, Silver, and Crystal versions that all basically boil down to 'This Pokemon has a low capture rate, is only found in one area, and no trainers you are required to fight use them so you can't know of their existence before hand'. Would it be fine to remove many of those and only list some of the more egregious examples like Dunsparce and Chansey in one bullet point?

EDIT: I've gone ahead and cut down some of the examples down while leaving bullet points for different mechanics.

Edited by YourIdeas on May 13th 2021 at 7:53:49 AM