"No Recent Examples Please" cleanup

I don't know why, but when I tried to add a First Installment Wins entry to YMMV.Wonder Woman 2017 a few years ago, someone removed it due to the lack of a third Wonder Woman movie.

Edited by dsneybuf on Mar 6th 2024 at 3:19:27 AM

It does appear that FIW requires three entries (unless that was unilateral).

nvm

Edited by dsneybuf on Mar 9th 2024 at 12:48:40 PM

I've begun wondering if Fandom Rivalry should only apply if both of the works are at least a month old, so that we could determine if the fandoms have a comparable size. Recently (no pun intended), I removed some entries from YMMV.The Last Of Us 2023 in which TLoU's fandom ended up dwarfing the other one, and some from YMMV.Dark Universe in which that franchise's fandom ended up dwarfed by the other one.

Edited by dsneybuf on Mar 9th 2024 at 12:54:07 PM

I feel like They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot and They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character should both have waiting periods, since they're definitely fan reactions and especially with the former, if it's an ongoing story, there's a chance that someone might declare a plot wasted while it's still ongoing.

I think it should be one season/installment minimum. If the character or plot comes back after all, the entry can be deleted. Exceptions could be made if a character is killed off or otherwise most likely not returning.

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 19th 2024 at 8:28:53 AM

I was wondering if a rule to wait to add Troubled Production until the production has ended would be a good idea. That way we have more concrete information because I have noticed a habit of adding entries based on rumors or speculation for reasons why it happened only for it later to be revealed that it was something different that caused it.

I would support Troubled Production being exclusive to post-release works, with the exception of productions getting cancelled due to the problems. Sometimes things happen during production that make people worry it'll go downhill, but it may ultimately pull through by the end.

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 29th 2024 at 6:51:25 AM

Question about this:

• Rescued from the Scrappy Heap (9 months after the character is introduced or becomes hated, whichever comes later, 1 month for gaming characters who were a High-Tier Scrappy or Low-Tier Letdown): to avoid knee-jerk reactions to the character's initial status (The Scrappy also has a waiting period) and their subsequent rescue.

I thought the wait was 3 months since the character was Rescued plus at least the 6 months to quality as The Scrappy or Base-Breaking Character. Is that the case? Otherwise it seems unfair to make it require longer than the wait for Scrappy and BBC.

I've seen confusion about this under YMMV.Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Freedom saying to wait 9 months for Rescued despite the characters being introduced/becoming contentious about 20 years prior. Or does the 9 months thing mean they're eligible now?

If the 3+6 months, maybe it should be "(9 months after the character is introduced or becomes hated or 3 months (1 month for High-Tier Scrappy or Low-Tier Letdown characters) since being rescued, whichever comes later)"? (Was the 1 month referring to since becoming tier-released scrappy and/or their rescue? If the former why are High-Tier Scrappy and Low-Tier Letdown not under the index?)

Hello. I recently launched Abusive Workplace, and gave a 5 year limit for Real Life examples. The justification is that that would allow for examples that involve more recent technology and media, but not so recent that tempers are still running hot (e.g. for Video Game examples I included mentions of Konami being such a workplace as the reports came from 2015, but didn't include Blizzard because the earliest report I could find that is verified is from 2021 and only notes that such abuse had been going on "for years"). When it was in the launchpad, I did put forward 10 or 20 years, but felt that would cut out some things that are good examples like the Konami one.

Would it be possible to add Abusive Workplace to the index?

Following discussion of Master Race in the Real Life section maintenance thread (starting with this post as well as this ATT query): while Master Race can benefit from historical examples (particularly about Nazi Germany) it attracted ROCEJ-violating recent examples, so I propose making it NREP (in lieu of NRLEP) with a waiting period of 50 to 70 years.

The 50 to 70 years should be defined as beginning from the end of the era it was promoted.

On one hand that sounds reasonable, but on the other, how would you define that? The Nazis (for example) lost WWII but neo-Nazism is still kicking around in various places.

Is this the thread where I can propose for a trope to be made into NREP? If so, I would like to submit Improved Second Attempt and Salvaged Story for consideration. Both tropes are similar in concept to the likes of Vindicated by History and Win Back the Crowd. As such, they tend to attract knee-jerk reactions that don't acurately reflect how the work is or will be perceived in the future.

Irrelevant, the country that created it no longer practices it and the trope refers to entire cultures that hold the belief.

Edited by stankykong on May 3rd 2024 at 3:02:05 PM

The description doesn't say as much — succinctly put, it refers to a group of people that a) view other races as inferior and b) set out to conquer-slash-exterminate those other races because of said inferiority.

So on The Amazing Digital Circus YMMV page someone added an Ensemble Dark Horse entry for Gummigoo even though his episode was released less than a day ago, I removed it mentioning the 1 month waiting period and then 10 minutes later a different person added him again.

So I know that we shouldn't add comments warning to not add certain tropes until the time period has passed unless people try to add them repeatedly but uh, is this already enough evidence that we should add one?

twice counts as repeatedly, so yes.

Someone already removed it and added a comment, but I notice that they specified the comment was about Gummigoo.

I think it would be better if the comment was a more general "do not add Ensemble Dark Horse until 1 month passes". By mentioning Gummigoo it feels like it's admitting that he already qualifies and we're just waiting for the period to pass, when the point of the period is to test if he truly qualifies or not.

Anyone else feels this way?

I agree with you. The on-page warning can be reworded to reflect general policy, not just be about Gummigoo.

So, there's an ATT thread right now about an edit war over a They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot entry for Despicable Me 4, which isn't out yet. The person who removed it claimed that there's a three day waiting period for that trope as well as They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character, but neither of those tropes are listed on No Recent Examples, Please!.

So, should there be a waiting period for those tropes? There's no official policy on it, but I think it's obvious that we won't know whether a plot or character is underutilized until a work is out. If we do give them a waiting period, should we just wait until the work is released, or should it be three days like the user suggested?

An uncoming work should follow Administrivia.Creating A Work Page For An Unreleased Work. Audience Reactions are not allowed if they're dependent on the full work.

So, I really want to do a Quietly Cancelled entry regarding the Saints Row 2 patch that was supposed to fix the PC version. The last update we got on it was in February 2023, sometime before Volition shut down. I’m guessing I have to wait until 2 years after Saints Row (2022)'s release date of August 23rd to put the entry on the page.

On that note: no, the "WoG can confirm Quietly Cancelled" criteria isn't self-contradictory. The trope description itself admits that confirmation by means other than the network is possible, if rare.

Wanted to clear that up because there's been confusion on that clause in the past, given it was ported from Dead Fic which doesn't have any "network" to worry about as a fanfic trope.

Should we prohibit political examples from EnemyMine.Real Life that are within the past 50 years?